San Franciscos
DJ Abstract of Phunckateck Communications
by Ms.E & dMarie
On a rainy spring evening in March, dmarie
and I head out from the South of Market Radio-V studio across
the city to the Lower Haight, on a mission to interview DJ
Abstract. Over to the 606 house -- headquarters for some of
San Franciscos young music legends. We always joke about
how in 30 years, kids coming to Haight Street will scope out
this spot just like they track down the home of Janis Joplin
and The Dead around Upper Haight! This grand, three-story
Victorian has mad electronic music gear in every bedroom on
every floor. The cast of characters here is always changing,
with an out-of-town DJ crashing on the couch every weekend.
Click here for ABSTRACT'S DISCOGRAPHY
This is the home where Abstract, AKA Alex Posell,
has built his own studio piece by piece. Its ground
zero for his evolving drum n bass creations and
his new label, Pneuma Recordings. Abstracts evolution
through music is rooted in the rhythms of jazz and hip hop
and his vision continues to expand with each new discovery
(and re-discovery) within the realm. Intent on moving forward,
he merges new styles and new visions of sound for the innerspace
of the dancefloor and beyond.
Since 1995 Abstract has been
making waves in the world of drum 'n' bass with Phunckateck,
a dynamic stronghold of DJs/producers. Driven by an intense
passion to share the music, Abstract has taken the lead with
independent releases on the Green, Thrive, Rawkus, Quantum
Loop, Domestic and Zoe Magic imprints. The original Phunkateck
members Noel and UFO! along with other key players in the
Bay Area (including Lady
Shoban and heads from the B.A.S.S.
Kru ) are the true ambassadors of San Francisco culture,
having initiated the first steps in pushing jungle music here
years ago within a primarily house-dominated music community
(Why do you think they called it San FranDISCO?). Bay Area
leaders Tomas of XLR8R and dMarie of Groundscore reflect on
the birth of the SF jungle scene in the Bay
Guardian Online .
As the years have progressed, the
collective has steadily grown. Originally, Phunckateck was
UFO! and Noel. Now its Abstract, Juju, Mehdi, Jason
Mouse, Sage and Echo plus E-Sassin and Sub Code of Sound Sphere
Recordings now representing Phunckateck in Los Angeles. As
intimately intertwined as this West Coast crew is, each member
works with a distinctly unique palette which translates into
different flavors of rhythm. They represent how deep and without
walls the dimension of drum n bass is. It truly
is all music.
Dig into the word, check out the bytes
from the video interview, catch the sounds of DJ Abstracts
discography and vibe to his mix in Radio-Vs Drum n
Bassment, recorded live at Eklektic in San Francisco.
THE INTERVIEW
What are your
musical influences + inspirations?
I'm inspired pretty much by all music.
I like all music. For the longest time I would only listen
to jazz and hip hop. I'd say Charles Mingus has been one of
my biggest musical influences just vibe wise. I'm really into
DJ Premiers stuff, really into Dan Bell, really into
a lot of different artists from different styles. Jonny L
is for me, the man right now. But I was a jazz drummer for
a long time and I got exposed to all kinds of amazing music
that way. To me jazz still the epitome of fine music at least
in the live paradigm, jazz is it. Just in the last year I
started listening to stuff I never used to like, like new
wave. I never used to like it but all of a sudden I found
something in it.
It's the 20-year
loop.
Yeah, you know? I guess that must
be it. Most of the nineties I spent getting over the eighties,
now I'm over it. I've actually been listening to some classical
lately. I'm trying to explore everything. I don't actually
sit at home and listen to a lot of drum 'n' bass. Except for
Jonny L.
Have you ever
though about having anybody play live music over you while
your DJing?
I've though about it. I've never really
experimented with it before. I've heard it done really bad
a lot of times and really well only a couple of times. Like
when Derrick May had a Congo player with him I though that
worked really well. That was really good. It would have to
be done right. I'm not opposed to it it's just something I
haven't done yet. I definitely in production plan on working
with live musicians in the future.
How did your
move to San Francisco flow with your discovery of other jungle
DJs?
It was probably the best thing I ever
did, artist-wise and just life-wise. I was going to college
in Minneapolis -- for the record I'm not from, I'm from LA
-- but I was going to school out there and people didnt
really like jungle all that much. Actually no one really liked
it out here, either. But I only found a couple of other people
that were doing it and there styles and my styles weren't
really seeming to coalesce at all. Every one was just so into
hard techno and it was all about hard techno. That's all anyone
wanted to hear. Or house, you know. I just felt really drawn
back to the west coast but I didn't want to move to LA. Everything
that I heard about San Francisco was cool, everyone that I
met from here was cool and it just seemed like a natural progression
for me to come here. It just felt right. It was one of those
gut feelings I knew I had to do it. And when I came out here,
right away everything started falling into place. I found
an apartment without looking for it, found a job without looking
for it, met some incredibly talented people that I still work
with--who are dropping my dubplates on the floor!!
UFO!>>>
Sorry, dude, I apologize!
Hey that's all right. Noel already
dropped them in beer at The Top.
I ran into some people that just had
the drive and the passion and really wanted to get shit done.
I just wanted to get shit done and make something happen.
It was at a time when you couldn't go out and hear jungle,
you just couldnt do it. And if you really wanted to
hear some you might be able to catch some at 5AM at a rave
in the ambient room on speakers this big (small). I feel really
fortunate because the people I've met that I work with, and
other people directly and indirectly in the scene are just
really amazing. There are some really talented people out
here. Really good energy.
When and where
did you first here jungle? How were you introduced to it?
I was very anti-dance music in college
because in high school I had gone through a couple phases
of being really into hip hop and listening to rock and other
stuff and then when I got to college I went back into hip
hop. And you know -- this is a generalization -- a lot of
people who are into hip hop have an attitude that there is
not other music worth listening to, accept they'll give a
nod to jazz and funk because that's where a lot of the samples
come from. I was kind of picking up on that whole attitude.
My friends though rave was whack and so I did. One of my girlfriends
at the time really got into that scene and kept bugging me
to come with her to a party. I totally did a complete turnaround
and became a party maniac for a while.
What grabbed
you?
The energy, the vibe. The same thing
that grabs everybody that gets into it. I had a spiritual
experience the first time I went o a big rave, it was an amazing
thing that change my life forever. My whole view of the world
changed because I experienced for a short amount of time the
possibility of what it could feel like to have people completely
united and the walls between peoples energy broken down. And
feel safe in that environment -- which is a tough thing to
get in a world full of pessimism and evil and other childish
things.
Anyway, so I went to a party and then
I started to go to a lot of parties and I ended up at this
one party, a little underground in Minneapolis and Snuggles
and JJ Jellybean came up from Chicago.
UFO!>>>
JJ Jelly Bean. No longer around. God bless his soul.
Yeah, JJ is no longer around. Dieselboy
played at that party, too, but at the time my mind wasn't
really ready for what he was playing. He was playing really
abstract like Moving Shadow, weird, futuristic drum 'n' bass.
I wasn't ready for it at all. I was hearing the Ragga stuff
and that's what grabbed me because it was street which appealed
to the hip hop side of me, it was complex which appealed to
the jazz side of me and it was aggressive which appealed to
the rock side of me. All of me was like YES!! This is my music.
I came out of there, just like, OH MY GOD!! Ranting about
it to my friends like, I heard this new music! It's crazy!
It's like hip hop but it's sped up with a heavy sub-bass,
Ragga vocals and they're like, OK, Alex! They had no idea
what I was talking about. I was trying to tell everyone, I
was so excited. I had a radio show at the college and from
that moment one it was pretty much all jungle. and people
would always call in and go, Excuse me? What is this?
You say energy
was what made you so excited and as you mentioned in here
in San Francisco it was hard to come across drum 'n' bass
parties. Energi was one of the first, thrown by you.
Yeah, Energi. Flux and myself threw
that party.
That was a Godsend
for those of us who couldn't get it, ever.
That's good to hear. It was especially
because it was an 18 and over one.
UFO!>>>
That was the vision of like YES! It's gonna take off!
There was already Saturday nights
at The Top going on at that time with Noel and UFO and Siobhan
who left it to them. They ran into problems at The Top but
luckily our party was going, so yeah. we were just trying
to keep it going and at the same time do a few warehouse parties.
It's something I don't really do anymore cuz it's a bitch.
What has been
one of your best experiences as DJ at a party?
There have been so many good ones.
Playing in Ireland was amazing because the Irish, especially
the Northern Irish, I mean, we all know what they're like.
They just got out of hand. I mean, they were screaming, throwing
bottles, jumping around. Like, standing in place just screaming
like their heads were going to explode, it was crazy. If they're
in it they're IN IT! A lot of the local parties, I usually
have a better time playing in San Francisco than anywhere
else. I had a good time in New York at Jungle Nation, that
was pretty fun. But it's funny, I generally have the best
time playing at good local parties.
We'd like you
to describe in one word each member of your crew.
Sage ELEGANT
Juju TALL
Jason Mouse QUIET. But that's not fair because there's two sides to Jason. He's quiet
but his energy comes out in his music. I'd say RESTRAINED
E-Sassin ROUGH
Echo LEFTFIELD
We have Phunckateck San Francisco here
with 7 members, and we've got E-Sassin out in LA. if you guys meet up with people around
the world that are on your same vibe, on your same tip will you do Phunckateck New York,
Phunckateck Ireland?
UFO!>>> There is Phunckateck Ireland. Caliber, Dominic.
If we find someone with talent,
that's doing something that makes us go GOD DAMN! We won't hesitate to bring him into the
collective. We thought we had everyone before Eric started busting out so much serious
mayhem, that we were like, we've got to have him in Phunckateck too. So you know, it could
be. Phunckateck could end up being 800 people. It's usually Ed who will suggest it. He's
like, They're talented, we want them, and we'll all look at the situation. Usually Ed's
instincts are pretty good. Usually. Times change, people change, people move. People
advance and regress.
As a DJ and producer, what are you
communicating through rhythm and music that cannot be communicated with words?
You're communicating something
really basic to the whole nature of the Universe. It's a communication that's higher than
verbal but at the same time more base. Everything in the Universe consists of pattern or
rhythm. There is nothing without pattern, there is no perception, and without perception
there is no reality. What you are doing is just tapping into rhythm as a basis for being
itself. I see dance music as a very tribal thing and I definitely make that connection,
too. The same idea came to me a few years ago that what people are actually doing at a
club or at a party is really primal and really ancient. Especially the way the music now
has gone full circle, where you had African and tribal rhythms that were all rhythm
oriented and then you had European music that went very melodic. When you forcibly met
Western and African cultures together you started getting a series of different hybrids
where rhythm gradually became more and more a part of the music. If you look at the
Negro-Spirituals and stuff, it started getting more of a swing, you know, into like
Dixieland and the Blues and really early Jazz. And out of that you start to have Rock and
Funk which was even more about the beat, and then out of that you got Disco and then Hip
Hop, House and Techno which were even more beat-oriented. Finally the last one so far is
drum 'n' bass which is all about the rhythm, you know, but still coming through a Western
mentality but a hybrid of Western and tribal ideals.
What made you make that step to become a
producer?
Oh, I just knew it was for me.
Part of it was, there was some disillusionment with producers in it and a dissatisfaction
with me wanting to make my own stuff. I just knew it was what I wanted to do on a very
deep level, I just always felt it. I used to tell people, even before I moved to San
Francisco, I'm going to be a producer, I'm going to make jungle. It just seemed right. I
just knew it was the right thing to do.
What artists would you like to work
with? To remix or remix you?
If I could have anyone to work
with, or just spy on them in the studio or to have them sit in with me in the studio and
tell me what I'm doing right and wrong, I'd say Jonny L, Andy C, Dillinja, and Dom. Dom
especially. All of those guys just have the sound down. They know their frequencies. As
far as remixing me, Ed. UFO! But also, DJ Premier, Dan Bell, maybe Carl Craig. I'm really
into his stuff. Everyone who has influenced me.
How was Pneuma conceived?
I thought of it the night I made
Aura 2. Not the name but the idea of doing the label. I had taken 3 Vicadins and I was
about to go to bed and Ed was like, hey, man, why don't you work on some beats? He's
always giving me a kick in the ass. So I started working on some beats and all of a sudden
a track started coming together that was pretty good, and I was feeling it. I can really
understand how opiates have inspired artists in the past! Anyway, I was really getting
into it and I was like, I'm starting to do so much stuff I should really do my own label.
A few months down the line I decided, screw it, I'm definitely going to do it, that's it.
URB was going to do a piece on me and a piece on Ed for their next 100 issue and I was
like, damn, I need a name for this label so I can tell them I'm doing this label! I wanted
something with a P so I could use a Phunckateck P and I looked in the dictionary and
nothing seemed right. Pacific? No. Prime? No. So I just opened the dictionary up, closed
my eyes, pointed and landed right next to this word pneuma. PNEUMA, which the definition
in that dictionary was soul. And I was like, that's perfect. That's what I'm going to use.
ABSTRACTS
DISCOGRAPHY
Forthcoming:
"Flab Attack" - Rawkus
"Aura Two/Area Code" - Pneuma
"Artifice" remix - Pneuma
"Eodiv" with Noel - Green
"Aura 1" - Green Label
"Curts While's Last Stand" -
Pneuma
SCHEDULED FOR SUMMER 1999:
"181" - The Collected
Singles" - Pneuma CD 001